Smith and Lourie in 2013

Living in the modern world means being exposed to a great many chemical compounds, from those in our shampoo to the ones that make up that unforgettable new-car smell. The safety of many of these compounds is unknown, but others have recognized toxicity. And simple actions, like eating soup from a can, could raise our body burden of chemicals like BPA, a known endocrine disruptor.

Several years ago, Bruce Lourie and Rick Smith co-authored a book on these everyday exposures, Slow Death by Rubber Duck. Now they have teamed up again to tell us how we can avoid toxins and ultimately get them out of our bodies.

Which detox techniques work best? Mr. Lourie and Mr. Smith devised a number of ingenious experiments to get the answer.

This Week’s Guests:

Bruce Lourie is a leading environmental thinker, writer and speaker. He is president of the Ivy Foundation and director of several organizations in Canada and the United States.

Rick Smith is a prominent Canadian author and environmentalist and executive director of the Broadbent Institute. He was the executive director of Environmental Defense Canada for almost 10 years.

They co-authored Slow Death by Rubber Duck; their new book is Toxin Toxout: Getting Harmful Chemicals Out of our Bodies and our World.

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Air Date:December 20, 2014

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  1. Lou
    Northern Panhandle, WV

    It’s impossible to get away from plastics in our modern world. Although the effects of BPA leached into our drinks and food and ingested by all of us may be measurable, it pales in comparison to the carcinogenic effects of, say, alcoholic beverages, and no one is suggesting we do away with alcohol. It bothers me that your guests leave us thinking that drinking bottled water is more harmful than the local water source. That’s absurd! Our local water authority draws its water from the Ohio River (for the most part) and I don’t have to tell you what all finds its way into this tributary. Treatment of this raw water may remove the bulk of sediment but the multitude of nasties overwhelm the ability of local treatment facilities. To be honest, I haven’t read your guest’s book yet but I plan to do so. Thank you so much for your very informative show and your great work.

  2. Bob Dannegger
    raleigh, nc

    In the podcast the authors make the claim that it is indisputable that pesticides cause cancer. I can find no research supporting that claim at any reputable website. In fact I haven’t found any large scale cohart studies that show a strong correlation.

  3. cpmt

    It is strange to me what Greg is saying, and I don’t agree. Since I read health and scientist researchers works and even though not all plastics are the same or have the same toxicity, ALL OF THE PLASTIC CONTAINERS should not be used with food, or water and specially not with heat or cold because all of them let chemicals pass (higher than 55º F temp.) and get into the foods, water or medicine. Some plastics are better than others but all of them should be avoided. Today most things in our houses: furniture, (& fire retardants) paint, clothing, soaps, cleaning products, perfumes, cosmetics etc… the constant use of all of them containing toxic chemicals and some of them are extremely toxic with serious side effects especially different kinds of cancers (blood cancers in children and sensitive adults).

  4. penelope
    south carolina

    What about BPA in cash register paper, the white rings in lids for glass jars, the plastic sleeves which crackers and many other things are wrapped? Why must BPA be used at all? dog and cat food cans, the list goes on. It never comes off of your clothes, hands- it leaches into everything it touches. HELP!

  5. David Carlson
    Raleigh, NC

    Please discuss the plastic molecules floating in the oceans, which are entering the food chain via plankton and fish.

  6. Sandra Rodgers

    I have shared on FB, I was reared in So California and have a friend effected at Camp LeJeune, in Gratitude for your service.

  7. tom
    central virginia

    Great show – it could have been a 2 hour show easily – I work in behavioral health and will always address the ‘rule-outs’ when dealing with presenting symptoms associated with labels of ASD, ADHD/ODD, Disruptive Behavior d/o, any neurological linked bx [which is most].

    I use web based resources and always refer folks to Peoples Pharmacy, keep a reading list of short articles – and Recommend- if not require parents to read.
    I will add TOX-IN, TOX-OUT to the reading list – after I have read it myself.

  8. Judy L.
    Rock Hill, SC

    While the fellows speaking are interesting, I have not heard one word about scented products such as air freshener, perfumes, laundry soap, dryer sheets, etc. They are as harmful as the plastics they are talking about, which is really rather old news. Please have them comment on scented products and how to get them out of one’s system. Thanks.

    • Gregg
      Central VA

      I agree with the comments about the scented products. These scents have to “delivered” into products and packaging. There are chemical solvents that are used to absorb the scent – these are then added to whatever is being scented.

      I know the chemical industry and plastics industry very well. There are huge differences between the plastics that are really the big problem and those that are not. It is a shame that the speakers act like every plastic is the same. Just like the say that all “organic food” is low in chemicals – these statements are sweeping and just not true.

      Water bottles do not have any phthalates, period. Of course the real question is, “Are they a good idea in a society where the tap water is safe more 99% of the time?” Plastics that people use to heat food in the microwave can be scary – especially those the say “do not use in the microwave” like polystyrene foam. There is a big difference between plastics.

      Plastics are used to keep medicines safe from bacteria. Some plastics could result in scary chemicals getting into the medicine. Other plastics have been made extremely low in anything that would leach out into food, drugs, or the atmosphere.

      I avoid food with chemical-sounding ingredients. Even organic food has these odd items.
      I think everyone is better off with food cooked from basic ingredients.

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