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867 Zen Health (Archive)

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Bonus Interview:
Dr. Hamilton describes chi and the lesson of the Japanese horsemaster.

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Tune in to our radio show on your local public radio station, or sign up for the podcast and listen at your leisure. Here's what it's about:

Dr. Allan Hamilton is a highly regarded brain surgeon, a set of skills that requires incredible focus. He is also a renowned horse trainer. Dr. Hamilton tells us how learning to relate to horses bolsters our right-brain capacities for non-verbal communication, intuition and genuine emotional expression. The patience he has learned from a Zen approach to working with horses has helped him understand better how to help patients identify and face their fears. He also shares his experience working with sick children who show amazing strength and ingenuity when they are allowed to relate to horses.

An extended interview includes further insights on harnessing chi and the lessons of the Japanese horse-masters. On our Facebook page you can also see photographs of us working with Dr. Hamilton and his horse Pepper. We had an amazing opportunity to experience what Dr. Hamilton describes during this interview. It is nothing short of magical!

Guest: Allan J. Hamilton, MD, was chief of neurosurgery and chairman of the Department of Surgery at the University of Arizona Health Sciences Center, where he is currently professor of neurosurgery and clinical professor of radiation oncology and psychology. He is the executive director of the Arizona Simulation Technology and Education Center, which is aimed at reducing operating-room errors.

Dr. Hamilton's widely acclaimed first book was The Scalpel and the Soul: Encounters with Surgery, the Supernatural, and the Human Power of Hope. His latest book is Zen Mind, Zen Horse: The Science and Spirituality of Working with Horses. His website is www.allanhamilton.com


The podcast of this program will be available the Monday after the broadcast date. The show can be streamed online from this site and podcasts can be downloaded for free for four weeks after the date of broadcast. After that time has passed, digital downloads are available for $2.99. CDs may be purchased at any time after broadcast for $9.99.

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This is by far one of your most enjoyable and enlightening interviews ever!! My father, Dr. Andrew E. Mance, was a country doctor who died 10 years ago, practicing on his deathbed because his patients wouldn't let him go. All I could think of, listening to Dr. Hamilton, was how they would have enjoyed each other and how much they could have learned from each other. They were (except for the horse connection) kindred spirits.

I can't wait to recommend this interview to all my family and friends, and I'm looking forward to reading his books. Thank you for the introduction to such a wonderful human being. Would that all our physicians could learn from him.

Love this topic and information

when he was talking about the left brain dominance of most humans, I thought maybe that helps explains the drug problem in America. People here are trying to reconnect to their right brain. If drug treatment centers would promote the use of all kinds of meditations in their facilities, drug addicts could find the joy of right brain communication without harming their bodies with the abuse of chemical substances.

Having a husband who was recently diagnosed with stage 4 brain cancer and dealing with neurosurgeons, radiologists, oncologists, etc at the UW Madison WI, this show was a Godsend! Our doctors seem only and solely interested in my husband's physical body and have no regard for us as a family, our emotions, our spirits or our feelings. He's being treated like he's a guinea pig and we are horrified!!! I've been fighting them and am now going to buy them Dr Hamilton's books!!!

I enjoyed this show immensely and am thrilled to find out about Dr. Hamilton and the idea of "a herd of two." Thank you so much! I have severe clinical depression and am a brittle Type I diabetic, always with roller coaster blood sugars. What keeps me sane is the time I spend with a horse. Sometimes it seems as though I can communicate better with her than with anybody else. Dr. Hamilton is quite right that you do get into a "zone" with a horse and must be very patient, in-the-moment and Type B. It makes you relax and also gets you out into nature. Another good book about the value of horses to humans is "Horse Sense and the Human Heart: What Horses Can Teach Us About Trust, Bonding, Creativity and Spirituality," by Adele von Rust McCormick and Marlena Deborah McCormick.

Wonderful talk. My daughter a trainer, and lover of horses, has worked with teens, handicapped and autistic children can relate to this story by Dr. Hamilton and chi.

A very impressive interview with an extraordinary doctor.

This guy is incredibly valuable to medicine. I also really enjoyed his story fro camp, a reminder of how important it is for even camp counselors to be smart and empathetic in nurturing young people toward gaining confidence. If this doctor had been bullied as a kid, due to his shyness, we probably wouldn't be gaining from his incredible talent and sensitivity today.

Thank you for telling your story on the People's Pharmacy. Who was it who said
"the outside of a horse is good for the inside of a person"? After hearing your
radio interview, I totally AGREE!

It's wonderful to discover more people who feel the same as I about horses and life.

Thank you, three, for this presentation.

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